July 1, 2018 at 2:01 pm #140150
These are the Zvezda models re-boxed, which explains why no Pacific and also why the transports. These were part of the Zvezda “Art of tactic” game. Warlord have (obviously) approached Zvezda to allow them to rebox and add all the relevant cards and bases etc to allow them to work in BRS.
As gamers we tend not to realise how long the lead times are for plastic models – anything between six months to a year. Warlord have commissioned Wave 2 – Hurricane, Fw190, Mosquito and Bf110 but it may be a while before they arrive. In the interim they’re trying to support the game with these Zvezda models.
They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t on this. The player base want more models, but the players are also 100% clear they want plastic. I’m sure in time they will get around to the other nations bombers, but in the meantime there are other sources if you cant wait0July 1, 2018 at 2:51 pm #140153Koin-KoinModerator
Thanks for pointing the Zvesda range, I knew WG works with other models brand but I din’t know this one even exist ^^
Yep, Warlord is putting a lot of effort into this new franchise so seeing anything new coming on regular base is always a reason to have faith in its future.
And yes, new things won’t just pop like that, it takes time to do things properly.
As you said, we all have different expectations so whatever will come, what is not coming will be expected by someone.
On a personal note, I’m not waiting impatiently any new model, I’ll just wait to see it at FLGS and buy what suits me (even if I know mostly any plane will put some sparkles in my eyes).0July 1, 2018 at 5:48 pm #140161EumerinParticipant
That’s a mistake from a PR standpoint, imo. While it’s always nice to have additional planes, it’s not as if the transports will dynamically change the way that the game plays, or anything like that. People will notice that the Germans and Soviets are getting duplicates of a plane type that the US and Japanese don’t even have yet, and questions will be asked as a result. The answer to those questions – that Warlord is licensing the designs from someone else – won’t be readily available, and players will start to suspect that the US and Japan are going to get ignored by Warlord Games. That’s going to impact player perception of the game, and likely make some players less willing to invest in it.
IMO, the best course of action would have been to release the transports at the same time as the first multi-engine US and Japanese aircraft. That would have gotten the aircraft out in a reasonable time frame while still not suggesting that the US and Japan were being neglected by Warlord.
If the transports radically changed something about the game, or were required for a transport-only scenario, that would be one thing. But they don’t, and they aren’t. They’re simply another option that can be used for the escort scenario.0July 1, 2018 at 9:46 pm #140176
What Eumerin said!
As a long time virtual pilot I grow weary of the massive amount of BoB you always need to wade through to get to any substantive PTO materials.
We get that these games are historical, but that does not mean they need to be produced with the same linear time constraints.
I think PTO in particular is best served from a more cinematic release schedule that starts with Midway and then flashes forward and backward to draw out the story that tells how things got to that moment and what happened as a result.
Retelling history is different than simply repeating the past step by step.0July 1, 2018 at 10:09 pm #140180
Not much point arguing over what the ideal release schedule will or should be – personally I think an alternate Midway starter set would make a lot of sense but Warlord are probably not in a position to do that in the near future. There’s a fairly large “WTF?” element to the releases anyway, but we should all remember no matter what was released it would not please everyone.0July 2, 2018 at 9:06 am #140218Koin-KoinModerator
I agree with Renko here, whatever Warlord’s schedule is it can’t suits everyone’s expectations.
I definitely won’t tell how Warlord should rule their business, they’ve proved they know how to do it (which I don’t).
Just because I expected something different in term of release, I won’t go crazy about it.
With this kind of range, we can expect everyone’s favourite coming sooner or later
I just look at the good side of it: less expenses and more time to paint other minis ^^0July 3, 2018 at 10:45 pm #140388
I am not going to assume Warlord does not make mistakes. They can spend the next year exclusively releasing BoB related content and ignore an entire segment of customers… that would be a captain obvious level mistake.
Let’s face it, Warlord needed to get more airplanes out there to meet demand while they are in production. Since the four bomber/transport aircraft are already available they have their stopgap. Ideally they would have a few more fighter releases prior to bombers but this is what is available for now.
It is what it is so like Koin Koin writes, paint more mini’s!0July 4, 2018 at 7:20 am #140396
A couple of mumbled ramblings that look at this issue0July 12, 2018 at 7:27 am #140833
Interesting…0July 13, 2018 at 11:11 am #140971Rich TysoeParticipant
The main mis-step so far has been the decision to go with the P-51Ds in the launch wave, rather than something more iconically PTO like wildcats, Hellcats, or corsairs. (well that and the fact the “BF109E”s are actually 109Cs.)
Wings of Glory has struggled with the same “deep vs wide” issue, and it’s kind of insoluable without releasing everything at once – everyone has their own preferred area of focus, and gets put out when they have to wait for releases or homebrew it. this is reasonable, (and even as a brit, I’;d have preferred a different setting for the starter – normandy, perhaps – but spitfires sell.)0July 13, 2018 at 1:41 pm #140997
Yup, pretty much of one mind, but as we dont have a time machine were stuck with what we have0July 13, 2018 at 4:12 pm #141015
The positive about the P-51 being included in the initial offering is that it shows Warlord is willing to make bold choices rather than just releasing airplanes in chronological order.0July 15, 2018 at 4:12 pm #141040GarrieParticipant
I don’t intend to go beyond the Battle of Britain (not withstanding a Johnny Red option in the future) so I’m going to have to take things as they come and live with the gaps as other theatres are catered for after the Mossies, Hurricanes, FW190s and ME110s. I’d like to see something for bigger bomber formations and HE111 models to be able to play the Spitfire vs Escort and Hurricane vs Bomber type scenario.0July 15, 2018 at 4:16 pm #141042GarrieParticipant
That said, would like to see some variant rules for using Blenheims and JU88s as night fighters, which would give the 88s (&ME110s come to that) in built radar capability and the Blenheims a front fire arc in addition to the turret.0
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