[Delta Echo]

USS President and USS United States were sister ships to USS Constitution. Being they were identical in dimension, crew compliment, and equivalent in armament to the USS Constitution, I would use the same base stats and cost.

Its the other 3 “smaller” Heavy USS Frigates; USS Congress, Chesapeake, Constellation, I’m less sure on. They definitely were built sturdier, larger and marginally more heavily armed than standard 36 gun Frigates of the Major Powers of the time, but less so than the 3 larger USS Frigates. Point cost and stats for these 3 are unique and don’t really fit well into the standard rating system. They should get their own card (My opinion).

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[Delta Echo]

That’s a pretty good list.

USS Chesapeake should drop down a rating to a 36 gun Frigate. Her design was altered while being built to be be smaller than originally planned. Note, this is accurately represented in the US fleet box, with the two larger resin models for USS President, and USS United States, and the three “smaller” plastic frigates being USS Constellation, Congress, and the ill-fated Chesapeake.

USS Philadelphia seems to be rated at 44 guns although her size falls between USS Constellation and USS Chesepeake.

USS America was gifted to France from the start, so I choose not to include her.

I toyed with the idea of including USS Independence, but the fact that she remained cloistered up in Boston harbor for the entire duration of the War of 1812, only appearing after 1814 lead me to not include her.

Here is the list of my favorites that served in the War of 1812 or earlier, with the 6 heavy Frigates of the US Naval Act of 1794 listed first:
* USS Chesapeake (1799)- Heavy Frigate (38), 29 18# long guns, 18 32# carronades, 2 12# long guns, 1 12# carronade, 152’x41’, 340 crew
* USS Congress (1799)- Heavy Frigate (38), 24 18# long guns, 20 32# carronades, 164’x41’, 340 crew
* USS Constellation (1797)- Heavy Frigate (38), 28 18# long guns, 20 32# carronades, 164’x41’, 340 crew
* USS Constitution (1797)- Heavy Frigate (44), 30 24# long guns, 20 32# carronades, 2 24 long gun bow chasers, 175’x44’, 450 crew
* USS President (1800)- Heavy Frigate(44), 32 24# guns, 22 42# carronades, 1 18# long gun, 175’x44’, 450 crew
* USS United States (1797)- Heavy Frigate(44), 32 24# long guns, 24 42# carronades, 175’x44’, 600 crew

* USS Adams (1799)- Frigate, 26 18# carronades, 1 12# quarterdeck gun, 128’x34’, 220 crew
* USS Alliance- Continental Frigate, 28 18#, 12 9#, 151’x36’, 300 crew
* USS Argus (1803)- Brig, 18 24# carronades, 2 9# bow chasers, 94’x28’, 142 crew
* USS Bonhomme Richard (1779)- Continental armed East Indiaman, 28 12#, 6 18#, 8 9# cannon, 152’x40, 380 crew
* USS Enterprise (1799)- Schooner/ Brig, 14 9# guns, 83’x22’, 70 crew
* USS Essex (1799)- Frigate 5th rate (32), 40 32# carronades, 6 12# guns, 138’x37’, 315 crew
* USS Hornet (1805)- Sloop-of-War, 18 32# carronades, 2 12# long guns, 106’x31’, 140 crew
* USS Intrepid (1798)- Bomb Ketch, 4 guns/mortar, 60’x12’, 70 crew
* USS New York (1800 NY class)- Frigate, 26 18# guns, 20 32# carronades, 145’x38’, 340 crew
* USS Philadelphia (1799)- Frigate (44), 28 18# guns, 16 32# carronades, 157’x39’, 307 crew
* USS Ranger (1777)- Continental Sloop-of-War 18 9# guns, 116’x28’, 145 crew
* USS Syren (1803)- Brig, 16 24# carronades, 94’x27’, 120 crew
* USS Trumbull (1776)- Continental Frigate, 24 12#, 6 6# guns, 200 crew
* USS Vixen (1803)- Schooner/Brig, 12 18# carronades, 2 9# bow chasers, 83’x23’, 130 crew
* USS Wasp (1807)- Sloop-of-war, 16 32# carronades, 2 12# long guns, 106’x30’, 140 crew

Note that most ship stats came from Wikipedia, and the actual number of crew and guns on each ship changed drastically throughout their career.

Cheers-
Delta Echo

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