M1941 Jacket and US webbing

[Cubster]

There's an American guy called Harlan Glenn, who's an American actor who also does re-enactment and collects authentic WW2 uniforms - I've got his British Airborne book and it's very good. I think he also did a couple of books on US uniforms too, but I don't know if he just did Marines or Army uniforms as well.

[grendels father]

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the only bit of web that has a correct WWII colour in that picture is the Carlisle pouch so the picture doesn't help.[/quote]

You are so clearly lacking in real knowlege of what ORIGINAL webbing (or original M41 jackets) looks like and how many color variations exist on WW2 DATED gear. Is a rear seam helmet a different color than a front seam? NO; Did they make Canteen covers in dark OD during WW2? YES; Are 1950s shoepacs a different color than WW2? NO

You continue to make sweeping generalizations but do not back them up with anything but your "pronouncement"... in effort to maintain your status as Warlord Games expert? You can be the expert ....but offer something else to the original question - other than "I know more than that guy"

This forum is becoming tedious

[Parus Ater]

You are so clearly lacking in real knowlege of what ORIGINAL webbing (or original M41 jackets) looks like and how many color variations exist on WW2 DATED gear.

Yes, but not OD7 green which is what the mentioned coloured items are.

Is a rear seam helmet a different color than a front seam? NO;

YES

Did they make Canteen covers in dark OD during WW2? YES

They made them but I think the earliest one I've ever seen was after the Battle of the Bulge. the mention of M41 Field Jackets indicates the theatre we're talking about.
The factors that caused this was the contract directive change to OD7 from OD3 was made in the middle of 1943 but with a clause that it didn't disrupt supply and supply was in full swing. This meant that manufacturers could continue to weave canvas using the dyes they had until they ran out and had to order OD7 (likewise the dye makers had room to move in that as well), the canvas was then sent to factories who'd cut fabric into parts and so they'd have a stock still of OD3 part (the middle ground of this is web with some green parts because those parts were used up and the next set were made in green). This could mean that from the time the WD decided to change to a factory actually making green web could be two months to two years time.
This then gets made and sent to the QMD's who'd assess the quality stock and see if the maker should get paid and then forward the requisitions to wherever the items are needed, the items then get shipped to Europe in the next available transport.
Once at a local Bn's QM stores the previous model is "Substitute Standard" meaning that the new type stay in the box hidden from the eyes of the GI's until the QM has none of the old ones to give out. Bare in mind he'd repair a repairable OD3 version ahead of giving a OD7 one out.
Now, given that finding a 1943-1944 OD7 canteen cover, belt or whatever (that isn't an M43 shovel cover) is pretty hard. Finding tan ones is dead easy, in fact finding tan 1945 stuff is easy.
It's a long winded way to say that by the time anything green got to the ETO the war was over.

You continue to make sweeping generalizations but do not back them up with anything but your "pronouncement"...

No, what I offered was pictures of kit next to paints for colour scaling comparison.

You can be the expert ....but offer something else to the original question - other than "I know more than that guy"

This forum is becoming tedious

New information is tedious? Each to their own.

[grendels father]

Parus Ater, I could split hairs with you all day about the minutiae of ww2 US field gear - but there are better forums for that. I'm sure Harlan Glenn has his own forum for reenactors but you seem to have found the perfect place to preside over the less-informed. I find your knowlege to be a bludgeon rather than a constructive tool. Carry-on, I'm taking my toys to a different sandbox.

[Parus Ater]

The difference between dark green and a khaki tan is hardly minutiae and splitting hairs. The question is on suitable colours and the picture provided has the wrong colours.
I don't preside over anybody, nor to I want to, I'm not meaning to be curt but I'm dealing with facts and US web can be very dry so it can read a bit plodding and for that I apologise but it can't be helped. Even I bore myself knowing about it.

[CommanderBaker]

Wow i have to stop creating such volatile posts ha!!!
But it seems that ive garnered this from the thread. m1941 jackets so i should stick with a khaki color. webbing seems to go from tan khaki-ish to a pasty green grey to very late on korea/vietnam green.

I found a good post on helmets that has rear seamed helmets actually leaving production feb 1945.

quote for webbing
World War II Web Gear Colors

Every soldier had web gear, in the form of cartridge and pistol belts, suspenders, and the bags, pouches and packs that he carried.

Before World War II all U.S. web gear issued to Army units (or units using Army-spec equipment) was in Olive Drab #9, commonly but unofficially called khaki. This tan/sand color was used not only for webbing, but for uniforms, tents, truck tarps, etc. pretty much across the board. There were many exceptions, of course, in the vast array of Army procurement, but generally the color was khaki.

This pre-war equipment was still in inventory when World War II started for the U.S. and it continued to be produced until at least 1943. You can find examples of the First Aid Pouch for the Carlisle bandage such as the one on the left with date stamps in the 1940s. But a new color was introduced at the start of the war: Olive Drab #3, the light greenish shade of the center pouch. Starting in 1943 new equipment was introduced, as well as clothing, in the darker shade Olive Drab #7, seen in the example pouch on the right.

The U.S. military was very slow and uneven to introduce these color changes, and equipment updates that went with them. Late in World War II you could find groups equipped with all the new gear in OD #7, with all khaki gear, or mostly random mixtures as determined by chance supply irregularities. Manufacturing was also uneven as supplies of old fabrics were used up. Transitional items can still be found with a body of one color and trim pieces of another. Even new-pattern equipment like the M-1943 intrenching tool covers were made in older khaki or OD #3 canvas or webbing.

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[CommanderBaker]

also thanks you guys are always super helpful!

[BA Barrukus]

Sorry guys I dont know about you, but I cant get over that guy in Amerian Staff Sargent uniform. I think if I saw a boat load of that guy landing on my beach, Id give the hell up. I dont think a 81mm round could penetrate that gut!!!!

[canadasteve]

Grendal in no way is Parus lording it over anyone with his knowledge, he was trying to help someone with a painting question so please pick you toys up and play nicely. Also when hitting on reenactors we can all find funny pics of farbs and the ones you put up look like they are Po
Stateside lol.

[Cubster]

Grendal in no way is Parus lording it over anyone with his knowledge, he was trying to help someone with a painting question ...

That's how I read it. I also think Parus has maintained a calm dignity in the face of bizarre provocation. Grendel, I don't know if you've got sand in your fanny or something, but if you re-read the posts from the start you may just find that Parus has simply been answering questions that were asked, and if you thoroughly read his posts and follow his links you will see that he has indeed fully backed up everything he said too.

Put your feet up, smoke something soothing, then come back why not?