M1941 Jacket and US webbing

[CommanderBaker]

Is the jacket lighter or darker than the webbing?
reference photos for webbing here: http://olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_ww2webgear.php
I have German camo beige, us field drab, pastel green, iraqi sand, and a green grey that i think has went bad because it comes out as an almost pinkish tan. from Vallejo
I also have kommado khaki and bleached bone from GW.
Im just looking for a good scheme for us infantry.

thanks CB

[grendels father]

Go lighter on the jacket. Sadly the truthful answer is that the M1941 jacket is roughly the SAME color as the equipment, however there are more variations in the color of webbing so I choose to paint my webbing a little darker. My webbing is all done in Vallejo Khaki Gray. I would cutom mix a bit of Khaki Gray and a dash of yellow green & a dash of white or ivory for the jacket. Here is a photo showing the jacket in the top left corner and a few pieces of web gear.



Here's my 41 jacket on another company's marine:

[Parus Ater]

Re. colour reference, that picture has a few post war bits in there.
The distinction i draw is that he poplin jacket fades very fast to a much paler colour than everything else, canteen covers tent to be the palest of all the web, belts get less wear so tent to sit on the very slight pea green end of the colour chart, carlisle bandage pouches always get the brunt of the mud and M1928 haversacks get bleached because of rain and sun exposure.

I've got a thread running on US web, viewtopic.php?f=10&t=704&hilit=M+1928 if you want I can get a colour comparison shot of the web on some uniform in real light (assuming the rain stops)

[grendels father]

Re: Your thread running on US web.... The above photo was taken from a scholarly reference book so i can't claim to know the date of the items in the picture - but which pieces are postwar? and how do you know? and does that affect whether they are incorrect reference for color (as per the original question)

[Parus Ater]

Well the canteen cover is green and is a Jeff. QMD type, the compass case is also green (though apparently they were available earlier than other 43 set items), the Cartridge Pocket is the dual Garand/Carbine type from the M43 release, again unlikely in the ETO, the belt also looks to be of dubious colour as it matched the transitional colour parts of the pouch. The helmet is post war rear seam, the shoepacks are smooth-toe mid fifties, trousers are later war dark which wouldn't be issued for combat and I'm 90% sure that M41 is a Ken Lewis Reproduction.

[canadasteve]

And he should know his stuff being part of Normandy44, one of the UK's formost WWII US reenactment groups. That and Captain Dale would have his stripes if he got it wrong

[Parus Ater]

Cheers, Steve! It feels like he's already got them, I'm on the bottom rung at Pfc But alas, rank accuracy is paramount since I'm a combat medic. It's a hard life at N44, where even your underpants are original GI issue.

US web is a weird one to get a handle on since the dates mean nothing when it comes to when and where or even if it was used.

Ever thought about coming back into the fold, Steve?

[grendels father]

Parus Ater: I think your expertise may be misplaced. I simply posted a photo to help another modellor with color choices - I also made some paint suggestions. Again, you attacked the photo that I posted based on your irrelevant speculation that the items are post-war or reproductions. There is nothing in the photo that is incorrect for a modellor to base his painting on: "...nope, your 28mm mini has a front seam helmet shell, not allowed here!" Furthermore I have never been particularly impressed by the idea that "reenactor equals expert."

[Cubster]

Dude, you asked, he answered.

[Parus Ater]

Parus Ater: I think your expertise may be misplaced. I simply posted a photo to help another modellor with color choices - I also made some paint suggestions. Again, you attacked the photo that I posted based on your irrelevant speculation that the items are post-war or reproductions. There is nothing in the photo that is incorrect for a modellor to base his painting on: "...nope, your 28mm mini has a front seam helmet shell, not allowed here!" Furthermore I have never been particularly impressed by the idea that "reenactor equals expert."

I've never claimed to be an expert but if I'm saying it I know it, if I'm not saying it then I'm saying nothing or telling you I've not got a clue but I'll try to find out.

In the Nap reference thread that's going on just now Invisible Officer makes a brilliant point, he says that displays are often grouped items put together that have been married up. The same goes for books.
The fact that there's a post war canteen, post war helmet, post war pistol belt and post war shoepacks calls the unconfirmed items into question, and their clear variant colours. It's not speculation, it's knowledge on a chosen subject.

The OP's question was about colours and the only bit of web that has a correct WWII colour in that picture is the Carlisle pouch so the picture doesn't help.