Usable for WotR?

[BigMike]

I'd go with HC again, I just don't think the English armies of the WotR used pike and shot nearly as much as bill and bow and it seems to be re-inventing the wheel to modify P&S down rather than HC up. That said I'd be tempted to usethe artillery rules for P&S rather than HC - if only because it will mean artillery hits will cause disorder around half of the time which feel right for late medieval gunpowder artillery!

[mikeland]

Not really sure what your point is Janner... I didn't say Bosworth was 'nearly' pike and shot. The differences really come down to the way the weapons were used.

I mentioned Bosworth and simply because they happen to be two WotR battles I have read up on, where there were, for whatever reason a variance of the amount of shot used. And I think although the archeology at Bosworth was to identify the site they recovered the most shot from any European battlefield of the period.

My comments were mainly to illustrate that either book could be used for WotR but both would need adapting... Is this wrong?

As to any period being transitional this is obviously the case but surely sone eras are more so than others, and for some extended eras the pace of change is very slow whilst at others there is rapid transition.

Well, that's along the thinking why P&S would handle Wotr nicely.

True.

[Bishop Lord]

That said I'd be tempted to use the artillery rules for P&S rather than HC

Sounds like a good idea especially as the chaps at Warlord seem happy for people to use their rule sets as a box of goodies to be used however your happy to use them.
The Wars of the Roses where definitely a Transitional period for warfare which make it a period with rich gaming pickings, but that said i do think it was mainly a Bill and Bow era with gun powder being used more towards the later stages, also pike I don't think came in until later with the only notable Battle being Stoke field right on the outer fringes of the conflict . But they have found remains of hand guns at Towton which was 20 years before Bosworth, so much still to find out. On the last tour of Towton I went on the guide was telling us some recent information that's come to light now says that Ferry bridge (the skirmish before the main battle) may have been fought a night
Anyway cant wait to get my Hands on P&S...."God dam this king" or "Manchester! where in gods name Is Manchester! do you not know we are at war?!"....etc etc

Jason

[Jammers]

There's a school of thought that Richard fell foul of a Merc Pike Block at Bosworth

There was probably more hand guns etc in WotR than most people realise too

On balance, I'd still go with HC though