Japanese Warfare wih Hail Caesar?

[Gunfreak]

So I'm working on some japanese armies, primiraly for killer katanas 2.

But it would be fun to use them for hail caesar, anybody tried it?

The big problem would be the use of arkebuses I think,

Are there any planes to add japanese armies for the new army list book that covers the mediveal period?

[A Lot of Gaul]

Based upon past discussions, I think there is a good chance that the second Hail Caesar army list supplement, covering Late Antiquity, the Dark Ages and Early Medieval warfare, will include a list for early samurai armies of the Late Heian/Early Kamakura period.

There have also been some conversations about creating later Sengoku Jidai armies in the Hail Caesar discussion group on Yahoo (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HailCaesarRules/).
The group discussions include a samurai battle report posted by none other than Rick Priestley himself!

Cheers,
Scott

[grant]

I wonder if the Pike and Shotte book might fit it better?

[A Lot of Gaul]

I wonder if the Pike and Shotte book might fit it better?

I fully agree that the later Sengoku-period samurai armies would work best with the upcoming Pike & Shotte rules.

Cheers,
Scott

[olyreed]

We played a samurai korean battle a couple of weeks ago at my local club. The rules worked well, we treated arquebus the same as crossbow with a -1 on morale for short range( under 12"). As the percentage of guns was only around 10-20% in this period i thought that hail casaer done the job. Not sure what percentage they would be in the european theatre around the same era but i assumed it would be much more.

[Gunfreak]

Yeah I'm not sure about Pike and shot, with the exception of a couple of battles, the number of firearms were quite low compeard to mele weapons, The akebuses were also used quite diffretly then in europe.

I think HC with it's diffrent armor ratings ect. and With archers.

olyreed: Thanks thats a good idea about using crossbows

[olyreed]

I actually got the idea of the crossbows from the yahoo groups, if i remember Rick Priestley used these rule for a samuai game with the perry twins. Although i might be wrong. I will be doing another one over easter and will hopefully get some pics and do a report on the forums

[jazbo]

I do Samurai (late) using Black Powder, although HC could be just as easily used. I'm not sure the late battles were "battle line" orientated so think BP is a better fit.

I have uploaded a pdf of the stats/special rules I use for your pleasure:

https://rapidshare.com/files/2685839845/bpsamurai.pdf

[rick priestley]

Yes we've played Samurai games with both Black Powder and Hail Caesar - for HC we just treated the firearms as crossbows with a re-roll (marksman) which worked well-enough - we have also used Break Test mods for early firearms in HC (-1 on the roll) but to be honest the players tend to forget this as often as not... which is my acid test for whether a rule is worth including or not! If they forget... you don't need it.

The forthcoming army lists have early Samurai - Heian and Kamakura periods - and take the armies up to the early 13thC.

Rick

[Psiloi]

A friend of mine and I used my 25mm Samurai and Koreans with HC, the Imjin War supplement to KK2 and the FOGR Asian supplement to assemble an OB. We played a scenario based on the fighting along the Imjin river in the early phase of the war and it worked well. I used the HC stats for medium bowmen for both the Ashigaru bowmen and Arquebusiers but for the Arquebusiers I used the shooting stats of light artillery with a range of 18".

Al.