3/60th Rifles

[Invisible officer]

Rifle Green = very dark green (almost black).

In fact in Victorian times much darker.

..in that time Rifle green cloth was nearly black at production.

Comedy gold.

[jazbo]

As a follow up, here is a blog post with some photo's of my 60th Rifles using Vallejo Black Green and AP dark tone:

http://colonials.6sided.net/2012/02/08/ ... boer-wars/

[armchairsaxon]

Is the uniform the same as the other infantry? Just a different colour?

The tunic worn in Africa was very similar cut but only 5 buttons. A problem are the bayonets, Rifles had the sword bayonet. The Officers had another sword too but the difference is not so big.

Unlike other units the 60th wore the helmet in Africa with the helmet plate, a big maltese cross. The leather equipment black. NCO chevrons on both arms! The waist belt had a snake hook, not the usual plate one.

Thanks for the reply. So basically you can get away with painting infantry as rifles but maybe if not with bayonets fixed? I notice Foundry make Zulu Wars Rifles but would rather avoid paying their prices....and give custom to others instead of Warlord obviously

[Invisible officer]

Is the uniform the same as the other infantry? Just a different colour?

The tunic worn in Africa was very similar cut but only 5 buttons. A problem are the bayonets, Rifles had the sword bayonet. The Officers had another sword too but the difference is not so big.

Unlike other units the 60th wore the helmet in Africa with the helmet plate, a big maltese cross. The leather equipment black. NCO chevrons on both arms! The waist belt had a snake hook, not the usual plate one.

Thanks for the reply. So basically you can get away with painting infantry as rifles but maybe if not with bayonets fixed? I notice Foundry make Zulu Wars Rifles but would rather avoid paying their prices....and give custom to others instead of Warlord obviously

If you are willing to add the helmet plates and alter the number of buttons . Just a qustion how high you rate the time you need for that. I would not do that if good miniatures are available.
Redoubt did some but they are larger than the AZW

[janner]

I've not seen the Warlord infantry up close, but the sergeant figures should have the 1871-pattern sword bayonet anyway. The photos on the website are hard to make out, but it does look like a sword bayonet for the sergeant in the box set. That'll at least give you an idea of how difficult a conversion job it would be.

http://www.warlordgames.com/14905/pre-order-anglo-zulu-war-british-line-infantry/

For some reason, CSgt Bourne has a normal bayonet in the heroes pack - he must have picked-up a spare one.

[jazbo]

I'm confused by the photo. Did those figs come with the maltese cross and a pugaree? If you added the cross, why add it to figs with pugarees??

[Invisible officer]

I've not seen the Warlord infantry up close, but the sergeant figures should have the 1871-pattern sword bayonet anyway. The photos on the website are hard to make out, but it does look like a sword bayonet for the sergeant in the box set. That'll at least give you an idea of how difficult a conversion job it would be.

http://www.warlordgames.com/14905/pre-order-anglo-zulu-war-british-line-infantry/

For some reason, CSgt Bourne has a normal bayonet in the heroes pack - he must have picked-up a spare one.

The Pattern 1871 Cutlass Bayonet was a naval arm, there was no 1871 army one. (List of Changes para 2713)

Some books name the sergeants bayonet the 1871 but the only army one of that year is the Elcho sword bayonet with saw back for trials.
Sergeants wore a converted Yataghan one (Most made from Pattern 1858 Yataghan ones) , bushed for Martini Henry Rifles. Approved in 1873, 103585 conversions done in 12 variants.

They should have got the Pattern 1875 Sword Bayonet, worn by Rifles but most kept the stylish Yataghan. There is a lot of confusion about the Pattern 1875, even the period commission managed to seal the wrong one! With 18" instead of 20" blade.

[Invisible officer]

I'm confused by the photo. Did those figs come with the maltese cross and a pugaree? If you added the cross, why add it to figs with pugarees??

They come this way. Made for the Egyptian / Sudan campaigns.

[janner]

The Pattern 1871 Cutlass Bayonet was a naval arm, there was no 1871 army one. (List of Changes para 2713)

Some books name the sergeants bayonet the 1871 but the only army one of that year is the Elcho sword bayonet with saw back for trials.
Sergeants wore a converted Yataghan one (Most made from Pattern 1858 Yataghan ones) , bushed for Martini Henry Rifles. Approved in 1873, 103585 conversions done in 12 variants.

They should have got the Pattern 1875 Sword Bayonet, worn by Rifles but most kept the stylish Yataghan. There is a lot of confusion about the Pattern 1875, even the period commission managed to seal the wrong one! With 18" instead of 20" blade.

Oops, yes 1875.

For those who may want to model either of them in 28mm and don't fancy going through the manuals:

http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/british_bayonets_by_year.htm#1875%20Sword%20Bayonet

http://www.arms2armor.com/Bayonets/brit1856.htm

If I've missed off any commas, I'm sure IO will correct it for me...

[Invisible officer]

No., surely not for a comma.

The joke is that some book authors made that 1871 mistake too. Not sure, but believe to remember that Ian Knight wrote 1871 too.

The term sword for the 1875 is a little confusing, it should be called a knife but that was impossible for moral reasons. The long yataghan deserves the sword designation much more. And the double curved blade looked great.

The Scollins pictures in MAA Elite 32 show the Rifle green very well. I can't do a usefull picture from my pre WW I uniforms because the flash of my camera gives a wrong colour impression. And without you just see black in black.