1815 prussian army in progress

[darksheppy]

oh well this is my composition for my prussian army for 1815
1st brigade 2 24 man foot units 1 24 man light unit and 1 10 man jager unit 3 artillery and 1 14 man hussar unit

2nd brigade as above

3rd brigade 2 24 man guard units 2 24 man light guard units 1 ten man jager unit 3 arttillery

4th brigade 2 14 man heavy cav units +d3 2 13 man heavy cav units +1

5th brigade 3 24 man foot units reservists ie british uniforms 1 light unit 24 man reservists british uniforms 3 artilerry
hope to get some pics up soon

[mikeland]

Which make of minis are you using for these?

[NTM]

Just a few thoughts based on historical accuracy rather than gameplay.
Looks a bit heavy on artillery, I would only put a foot battery in one or 2 of the infantry brigades and a horse battery with the cavalry.
The list also does not suggest 1815 to me either but is pretty good for 1813. I say this as the Guard did not participate in 1815 and the British uniforms had largely disappeared by then or converted to give a Prussian appearance (although artitisc licence is allowed and it's almost obligatory to have Brit uniformed Reservists) Of course the Guard was mobilised and if the campaign had continued beyond Waterloo they would probably have seen action. The Prussian army on 1815 is perhaps lacking in 'Elite' units with the Guard missing and you don't even get the option of Grenadier Battalions as they had been merged into 2 Grenadier regiments and were in the same Corps as the Guard. No Cuirassiers either which is a shame as they'd readopted the cuirass by then.

[Invisible officer]

The Reserve regiments 1-12 became IR 13-24 before the 1815 campaign. All had campaign experience, more than the recruits had that the old IR 1-12 had to include in 1815.
The statement that they wore the new uniforms can not be backed by Jany, Knötel or any other who was able to use the old archive material before it was destroyed in WW II. Prussian resources had been scarce , the short peace period was not long enough to produce enough material.
Even Hussars wore material they found in France in 1814.

The game Brigades of 2 Line and 1 light unit are obviously meant to represent a Prussian Regiment of 2 Musketier and one Füsilier Battalion. But regiments had no artillery.

The real Prussian Brigade had 3 Regiments, most 2 line and one Landwehr regiment. But Landwehr is not light Infantry!. Normal Battle formation was with the Füsilier companioes in a line with skirmishers drawn out.
Following the four Musketier Battalions in column side by side.
And the three Landwehr Battalions in column as third line.

All 1813/15 Prusian infantry had some training in light infantry work.

Brigades got artillery support from corps resources.
In 1815 the 1st army corps had 3 12dr Batteries, 5 6pdr Batteries, 1 7pdr How. Battery and 3 6pdr Horse Batteries.
Supporting 4 Brigades with a total of 9+9+9+6 = 33 Infantry Battalions and 8 cavalry regiments in 2 Cavalry Brigades.

So there would be one battery for every regiment of foot but they are used more concentrated like the French artillery, not distributed down.

[NTM]

I agree that there is little or no evidence that IR 12 up had designated new uniforms in 1815 but this does not mean they were ALL wearing the old ersatz or British supplied uniforms. Casualties in 1813/14 were pretty horrific with many regiments skrinking to a mere shadow of the 2500 they started with in August 1813. These shortages were made up from various replacement units and these were uniformed with whatever they had could get so the mix of uniforms got even worse especially taking into account the use of captured items. It is documented that British uniforms were modified to give a Prussian appearance lace etc removed, shakos given false tops and waxed covers etc.

On the subject of light bttlns Blucher did decree at the start of the campaign that each Ldw Regt had to designate a bttln as fusiliers. This does not of course mean they were any good as light infantry but in 1815 every regt had a Fusilier Bttln. Also the description of the brigade formation conforms to the regulations but it was not always that simple, I have a number of examples will dig them out and post later.

[Invisible officer]

Exactly, the standard formation was not used in every battle. Tactics had to follow the circumstances of units available at the spot. But it showed that nobody in the ivory towers of Berlin expected the Landwehr "Leichtes Battalion" to be used like the line despite the naming of one Battalion of light Fusiliere in a Landwehr Regiment.
In fact they where used as light infantry, all Prussian units had a basic Light Infantry training and we find engagements with skirmishing musketeers.
My statement that many units of IR 13-24 did not wear the new uniform did not imply the wearing of the old British uniforms, just that they wore what was available. A lot of French material was still used, including muskets, trousers , swords and whatever was needed.
The former Freikorps and other units taken in the line as IR 25+ got only a few new uniforms, still using the Litewka of Lützows corps or the Russian Uniform of the Russisch-Deutsche Legion.
Prussia was poor following the long French occupation, it needed the British money, arms and clothes. The Prussian government had no credit with the German producers. And these lacked materials. The peace army of 1816 was still not much like the one designed in the clothing books.

[darksheppy]

ah rite the answer to the first reply about artillery is we have made a slight change ie house rules we are using half of the original guns in a battery so the 6 gun prussian battery would be represented by 3 pieces
its just i went daft and bought a lot of boxes of perry figures 5 boxes of prussian line inf 2 boxes of british 2 boxes of hussars 2 boxes of dragoons and 2 boxes of heavy cav and may have got to much tyipical wargamer
so i bought 5 extra command sprues for the line infrantry so i can get 10 24 fig units out of them and the fusileer metal conversion pack
and 6 mounted officers
havent bought the artillery yet