New Model Army

[grant]

next up , Leslie for the Jocks ,at last...

John, you have just made my day! Now please tell me he will be out in time for Christmas...

Oh the irony. There will be no Christmas for you NMA types.

[rodmillard]

Oh the irony. There will be no Christmas for you NMA types.

Hey, just because I'm a dour Scot commanding the armies of the kirk don't tar me with the same brush as those pansy English...

[mikeland]

next up , Leslie for the Jocks ,at last...

John, you have just made my day! Now please tell me he will be out in time for Christmas...

Oh the irony. There will be no Christmas for you NMA types.

Pah! Christmas is for sissys!

Seriously though, strange how Royalists always trot that old one about Christmas out!

By the end of ECW parliament had:
The best trained, equipped and organised troops, some of the first low born men able of rising in rank, and free thinkers that came up with ideas of personal freedom and liberty that would take 150-250 years for the rest of Europe to catch up with. the ideas sown in those few years would eventually chabge the face of Europe and mean that most of us would have the joy of growing up in free democratic nations where totalitarianism isn't tolerated...

But oh no! Some of them didn't like Christmas! (bear in mind 17c Christmas wasn't all Santa and pressies under the Christmas tree, but a lot of long sermons in church and then a bit of a party if you were lucky enough to afford it, or your master was kind enough to give you provisions for the festival!)

[westwaller]

some of the first low born men able of rising in rank, and free thinkers that came up with ideas of personal freedom and liberty

...Indeed they were @mikeland, but Cromwell and Fairfax betrayed them at Burford...

[mikeland]

some of the first low born men able of rising in rank, and free thinkers that came up with ideas of personal freedom and liberty

...Indeed they were @mikeland, but Cromwell and Fairfax betrayed them at Burford...

True, whilst I am firmly in the parliamentarian camp, I am no Cromwell fan boy. Like Napoleon 150 years later Cromwell turned out to be just another face of the establishment rather than a true advocate of change. And obviously became excactly what he started out fighting against. That said, it is easy to judge people of the past by modern standards.

[grant]

some of the first low born men able of rising in rank, and free thinkers that came up with ideas of personal freedom and liberty

...Indeed they were @mikeland, but Cromwell and Fairfax betrayed them at Burford...

True, whilst I am firmly in the parliamentarian camp, I am no Cromwell fan boy. Like Napoleon 150 years later Cromwell turned out to be just another face of the establishment rather than a true advocate of change. And obviously became excactly what he started out fighting against. That said, it is easy to judge people of the past by modern standards.

What's the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Cromwell really was no different than anyone else found in a strong position of power, he became what he meant to replace. NMA does make for great wargaming though.

[Cubster]

It's why they call it revolution, because it goes round and round and round ...

[grant]

It's why they call it revolution, because it goes round and round and round ...

Well said, sir; well said.