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1815 prussia oob

Postby darksheppy » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:24 am

hi could you please tell me if im reading this oob correctly
1. Infanterie-Brigade - GM von Steinmetz
. . . 12. Infanterie-Regiment [2.027-2.330 men in 3 btns.] + 100 "Westfalisches" Landwehr Jägers
. . . 24. Infanterie-Regiment [2.340-2.406 men in 3 btns.] + 315-365/375 "Schlesische" Schützen
. . . 1. "Westfalisches" Landwehr-Infanterie-Regiment [2.403-2.463 men in 3 btns.] + 224 "Westfalisches" Landwehr Jägers
Brigade Artillery: 7. Fußbatterie - Kpt. Schaale [141/168 men, 6 6pdr cannons, 2 howitzers]
. . . and 7. Reitende Batterie - Kpt. Richter [154/171 men, 6 6pdr cannons, 2 7pdr howitzers]
attached cavalry (according to P. Hofschroer after Lettow-Vorbeck)
. . . 1. Husaren-Regiment [454 men in 3 sq.]

so the 12th inf reg is 2027 to 2330 men in 3 btns
then the 24th schutzen would be 315 to 375 strong
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Re: 1815 prussia oob

Postby NTM » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:53 pm

darksheppy wrote:hi could you please tell me if im reading this oob correctly

so the 12th inf reg is 2027 to 2330 men in 3 btns
then the 24th schutzen would be 315 to 375 strong


Probably yes, it could also be that the lower figure is the number of rank and file and the higher includes officers etc but in this case I don't think so. The beauty of BP though is you don't have to worry about the exact strength you just need near enough. Btw the Silesian Schutzen were not part of the 24. Regiment just attached to it.
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Re: 1815 prussia oob

Postby Invisible officer » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:15 am

The IR 12 Oberstleutnant Othengraven had 70 Officers and 2260 men reported in the Preußischen Generalstabswerk.
Jäger detachment 100.

IR 24 Major v. Laurens 66 Officers + 2340 OR
attached 2nd and 3rd Company Schlesisches Schützenbat. 13 Officers 352 OR

1st Westfälisches Landwehrrgt (also named Cleve Landwehr) Oberstleutnant Rüchel v. Kleist 60 Officers 2403 OR
Jäger detachment 4 Officers 220 OR

There was no direct Brigade artillery, that belonged to the 1st Army Corps. Fußbatterie Nummer 7 Schaale is reported with 3 Officers and 138 OR and 103 Horses for the 6x 6pdr and 2x 7pdr How.

The 1st Husarenregiment was not part of the Brigade. In 1815 the 1st was the Leibhusarenregiment. In 1st Corps , 1st Cavalry Brigade was the 4th Hussar regiment, before known as the 1st Schlesische Husaren. 27 Off 441 OR and 33 mounted Jäger.
The direct attachement of Cavalry to Infantry Brigades was 1813/14 practice to give the badly trained units some ......, they formed behind the Infantry, rarely on a side. More like MP, not fighting cavalry, in 1815 that ceased.
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Re: 1815 prussia oob

Postby NTM » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:14 pm

Invisible officer wrote:The 1st Husarenregiment was not part of the Brigade. In 1815 the 1st was the Leibhusarenregiment. In 1st Corps , 1st Cavalry Brigade was the 4th Hussar regiment, before known as the 1st Schlesische Husaren. 27 Off 441 OR and 33 mounted Jäger.
The direct attachement of Cavalry to Infantry Brigades was 1813/14 practice to give the badly trained units some ......, they formed behind the Infantry, rarely on a side. More like MP, not fighting cavalry, in 1815 that ceased.


Although it does seem that one of the cavalry brigades in each Corps was broken up and attached to the infantry brigades, either by regiment or just a couple of squadrons. Not sure if this was official practice or the men on the ground decided to do it because it was what they were used to.
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Re: 1815 prussia oob

Postby adiemac » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:35 pm

the two numbers for each regt could be pre and post battle casualties, I know some sources list like that
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