Roman ox cart

[carvel2]

Can I buy this and pass it off as roman?
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?products_id=2650

[Biggus Dickus]

Can I buy this and pass it off as roman?
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?products_id=2650

I don't see why not to be honest, it was the one I was going to use....(hadn't realised it was released yet, last time i saw it was a green WIP!!!) well it is in my top 3 carts!!!

virtually any wooden cart....except that iconic US wagon type should do the job. pretty sure no one knows what Roman carts looked like, although, you can never say never on here
I quite like these ones too...can't make up my mind so may have to buy all of them!! http://www.stronghold-terrain.de/shop/index.php?cat=c3_Accessories---village.html

[Invisible officer]

Hmmm BD, " pretty sure no one knows what Roman carts looked like" is something I would not support. We have a lot of pictorial evidence from art , gicing us a good picture of the Roman transport from peasant cart to high speed express coach.
The Perry model is not like any of these. Especially the prominent axle "supports" are not shown in ancient art. Well, you might leave them away. But the structure of the upper works too is not typical "Roman".

The standard norm cartwheel distance was 120 cm for all Roman transport. In mountain regions the streets got 2 safety channels for the wheels with steps between for animals and humans. The same was often done on stone parts of normal streets. The curved surface of the Roman street made that very meaningfull. You can still see that at Housesteads. (But ignore the fuss about war chariots that was written about the Housestead ruts)

Oxes are not much used by the Romans, apart from the heavy transport. A pair of oxens is shown on a stone in Augsburg museum, showing a heavy transport with two big casks (and surely more in a second row not shown) It has a seat for the driver. Obyiouslay a very heavy vehicle.

The typical Roman "motor" was the mule.

[Parus Ater]

What about a couple of scans so he knows what to look for?

[Invisible officer]

Sorry, I would not do scans from books and publish them in the Internet, the copyright problems. I would have to place them in my PB album to link them to the forum and would be liable for them.

(I would not be happy if someone use my publications for free. And not buying them. Doing them is very expensive. Some years ago I needed the publishing rights for a single picture of a helmet from Leiden Rijksmuseum. For a non commercial publictation and calculated between colleagues it was still a three digit sum.
And if someone use my own reconstruction drawings without asking for permission...... )


But many pics are available in Internet, " römischer wagen museum augsburg " in google pictures will lead to the heavy transport.

In Museo Archeologico Nazionale in Napoli they have a freso showing a mule drawn transport car, looking a lot like the 19th century covered ones. The Epona stone in Würtembergischen Landesmuseum is very damaged but show a transport with three Horses, troika like.

[Parus Ater]

Right ok, just that you've told him how that's not right without actually saying what is. History isn't copywritten, I'm pretty sure you could find an artists impression or a photograph of a reproduction.
If there's pictures on the internet as you say and you know which are right you could link them up for us? It'd take a lot less time that a massive block of text.

[Invisible officer]

[quote="Parus Ater"] History isn't copywritten, I'm pretty sure you could find an artists impression or a photograph of a reproduction.
quote]
History is free for research, artist impressions and photographs are owned. Copy and post in internet is thieving. Please don't do that, if the owner claims compensation that can get very expensive.

I checked only the Augsburg stone being in Google, a 10 second "research" I know it and others from books and visits.
Try Junkelman Reiter Roms Vol. 1 who shows some and has a good bibliography on Roman wagons. And is very good on sport chariots. Not to forget the travelling coaches.
Many books about Roman mosaics and stone memorials show pictures of Roman transport.
In Villa Romana del Casale there is a superb mosaic of a Roman animal transport with a heavy ox wagon. Two axles but massive wheels, no spokes. Others show covered transport wagons with spoked wheels.

But none shows the "overhead axle support" the Perry wagon has. It is superb for Rose wars and similar.

[NORTIVS MAXIMVS]

Hi All

As some of you know, I have been thinking about this subject for a while ... my online reference has been this:

http://www.humanist.de/rome/rts/index.html

specifically:

http://www.humanist.de/rome/rts/wagon.html

and the challenge for my model:

http://www.humanist.de/rome/rts/dorsal.html

... apologies for going a bit ‘high-brow’ on you

More on my blog ...

Cheers
Paul

[Biggus Dickus]

Can I buy this and pass it off as roman?
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?products_id=2650

virtually any wooden cart....except that iconic US wagon type should do the job. pretty sure no one knows what Roman carts looked like, ***although, you can never say never on here


***I think this is a Caveat
I was right in as much as they are made of wood and have wood wheels!!!......but then my wife thinks all tanks look the same

[Parus Ater]

History isn't copywritten, I'm pretty sure you could find an artists impression or a photograph of a reproduction.
quote]
History is free for research, artist impressions and photographs are owned. Copy and post in internet is thieving. Please don't do that, if the owner claims compensation that can get very expensive.

I checked only the Augsburg stone being in Google, a 10 second "research" I know it and others from books and visits.
Try Junkelman Reiter Roms Vol. 1 who shows some and has a good bibliography on Roman wagons. And is very good on sport chariots. Not to forget the travelling coaches.
Many books about Roman mosaics and stone memorials show pictures of Roman transport.
In Villa Romana del Casale there is a superb mosaic of a Roman animal transport with a heavy ox wagon. Two axles but massive wheels, no spokes. Others show covered transport wagons with spoked wheels.

But none shows the "overhead axle support" the Perry wagon has. It is superb for Rose wars and similar.

No, linking on the internet is expected, not thieving and encouraged. You seem to think you know which of the wide variety of carts that come up when you pump "Roman ox cart" into bing images is the type of thing he's looking for and which are not.
Linking to pictures on websites and the websites in general will only garner you the thanks of the people who own them. Claiming about breaches of copyright and loyalty fees for website images is copping out, I'm afraid.