Hi all, I'm new here, been playing Black Powder for a few months and love it, and Albion Triumphant is a great supplement to allow me to field my British Peninsular vs my French, which I do every Thursday in my attic. I still have small forces (I am collecting and painting both sides!) equalling approximately 300 pts. and the same question keeps arising: are the British not a bit too good? All my line infantry have first fire, which is useful, but more importantly, they all have Steady Line - they all pass their first break test. None of the French have such an advantage, and I do feel that Steady Line is a game changer. Last night my enemy was able to score 4 hits(!) with his voltigeurs, including a Disorder and a further 2 with his artillery - but the artillery fire was actually utterly pointless (he had no other valid targets). Against any other unit this would have added -4 to the morale save, already -2 0- in this case it was an automatic pass. Whilst it made the game interesting, as I was essentially able to march directly up to the enemy guns in a line of columns whilst my cavalry flanked and destroyed his loner line, is it really a fair advantage? It's almost a free "life", and I do wonder whether it should be reserved for specific elite units, or at least make the units more expensive.
I've almost certainly missed something, so look forward to being corrected!
1. When both sides had been specifically chosen with a view to being as equally matched to the other as possible with the aim being that the battle should be decided on the merit of the commander? 0. I'm talking about a game, agame which no one would want to play if the conclusion were invitable.
2. My intention, as is traditionally the case with discussion forums was to spark a discussion. If you know of or can think of any useful tactics to counter this, please share them. If not, don't.
3. Again, if you agree or disagree, feel free to say why and perhaps suggest changes. If you don't want to discuss Black Powder, there are plenty of other websites in the world, on which you can.not discuss it _ virtually al of them in fact. Was I being silly in thinking the Black Powder discussions forum would be a good place to start a discussion about Black Powder?
Well, it is. So ask away and you'll get your answers.
To start with, Albion Triumphant is not set in stone. You do not have to use the new rules in the books if you don't want to or if you think that they unbalance the game. They are not a set of rules as such, but suggestions to enhance your games and give some additional background. I would suggest going back to the basic rulebook and then add the bits that you feel are suitable and remove those that you feel are overpowering.
This doesn't just apply to AT, but to all of the supplements for both Black Powder and Hail Caesar. Napoleonics with BP plays perfectly well without the suggested rules and amendments in both AT and AT2. I say this with no disrespect to Ady, the author, who has done a cracking job on the two books. I have both books and enjoy reading them, but I don't apply all of the suggested amendments. They are there to give you the option of adding some period flavour to your games and armies.
We have all done our own research, I am sure and there is bound to be differences of opinion about why certain things happened the way they did. The suggestion from Jazbo was a serious one and not dismissive at all. Perhaps he could have used a few more words, but I am saying the same thing, really. I will point you to the final paragraph on page two of AT1, where you will find what we have said in Ady's own words:-
"But as ultimately your Black Powder battles are yours, the final decision as to how your games play out is up to you."
This is the theme or spirit that runs throughout Black Powder. It is a set of rules, or rather, a Toolkit that you can use to forge your own style of gaming. Enjoy and if something doesn't feel right, change it so that it does.
I might suggest that in addition to what jazbo and BigAl have said, that the term "overpowered" seems to get people's backs up. It has, I believe, strong connotations of "Space Marines are Overpowered!", or whatever book GW has released last.
The term has been rather overused, and immediately sets people off in the wrong direction. It comes across as being a baseless complaint from the start, and it's an uphill battle against the rain to get out of the freshly dug negative connotation trench.
A better way to start off might have been "British armies in Albion Triumphant, questions", because the rest of your post was well stated.
I don't have any British, so I am afraid I can't say if they are a bit too good or not.
Perhaps you could try giving your opponent more points for the French?
Try a few historical battles with the AT amendments. I think the Brits have these advantages because in the historical set ups there are usually fewer of them than you would like and they are usually backed up by a few ( ahem ) less able allied units. In a straight up fight of an army full of Brits vs an Army full of French, then the Brits will nearly always have the upper hand.
The same is true of the Last Argument of Kings supplement. The British troops also have exceptional abilities and this is to counter the fact that they will only consist of 50% of the army, with Dutch or German allies making up the remainder.
At the end of the day, the rules amendments are there to get the right result in any given situation, and so in the majority of cases a like number of French attacking a like number of British will be up against it, as they were historically!
With regard to tactic ( and i speak generally here as I have only played a couple of peninsular games with the new AT rules ) try concentrating your artillery to force Break tests and the old Napoleonic maxim of combined arms- try to bring cavalry forward to push the Brits into square and then move the infantry up? Sorry to be so vague but those Brits are tough cookies!!
scrivs wrote:I'm working away at the moment so don't have my books to hand, but I'm pretty sure that the Steady Line rule is not the same thing as the Steady rule.
You are quite right! That explains that then, no wonder my Brits have been so much better than the Frenchies I've been playing that wrong FOR WEEKS.
As you were, everyone... thanks for the other contributions...it does appear slightly that they are somewhat null and void in regard to this specific question, as the issue appears to have been nothing more than my own inability to read.