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[Cubster]

If you order a plaid you just get cloth.

That's the point. A real highlander throws his yards of cloth on the ground then rolls himself up in it, presumably pinning it in place with eagle claws and such.

[Parus Ater]

The label of one of my army kilts.

No kilt is named plaid in the British forces .
If you order a plaid you just get cloth.

That's my point. No Highlander ever wore a kilt.

[Invisible officer]

If you order a plaid you just get cloth.

That's the point. A real highlander throws his yards of cloth on the ground then rolls himself up in it, presumably pinning it in place with eagle claws and such.

Yes, for the Philamore. And for the early Philabegs. The pleats followed 1794, before army kilts had none, just being plain cloth.
The invention of the Philabeg or Kilt is credited to a certain Thomas Rawlinson, manager of a foundry. (Making miniature soldiers??? ). A little doubtfull, the small Kilt is a logical development from the large one. So it may have been a poor Scotsman with a ripped one? The army used to convert damaged Philamores into Philabegs for working dress. Soon they became the normal army Kilt form.Saving 50% of the cost, very Scottish.

[Invisible officer]

The label of one of my army kilts.

No kilt is named plaid in the British forces .
If you order a plaid you just get cloth.

That's my point. No Highlander ever wore a kilt.

A pleated Philabeg is a kilt.

[Parus Ater]

The label of one of my army kilts.

No kilt is named plaid in the British forces .
If you order a plaid you just get cloth.

That's my point. No Highlander ever wore a kilt.

A pleated Philabeg is a kilt.

No disrespect but you're trying internet pedantry to circle round to being right in schoolboy logic. Besides, the Black Watch were cleansing the Highlands for about forty odd years before that fashion came it, post YoS, most certainly.

[Invisible officer]

I can feel the disgust of patriotic Scotsmen. But sorry boys, the modern pleated Kilt is a British invention, no old Scottish tradition . 1794. Under a King from Hannover. (Yes, more salt in the wounds) It's not the traditional Highland item. Similar, but not the same.

That some Lowland units wanted the Kilt.... . In the 18th century Scottish Lowland Kilt wearing people had been despised as cattle thieves from the mountains. The Lowlander wore English style or tartan trews. And many Highland Lords did it too. It was the Walter Scott talmi Scottish revival that brought that fashion to the south, making it the "Scottish" garb. Romantic history correction. A Lowlander in Kilt is like a Prussian in leather trousers.

Well. I'm in the mood to be even more nasty.
Highland Cathedral was written by Germans.

And now I run for cover. Good night.

[Parus Ater]

I can feel the disgust of patriotic Scotsmen. But sorry boys, the modern pleated Kilt is a British invention, no old Scottish tradition . 1794. Under a King from Hannover. (Yes, more salt in the wounds) It's not the traditional Highland item. Similar, but not the same.

Funny, that's what I was saying but you argued against me and Herr Cubster using a fifteen year old army surplus job. I'm getting the idea that your knowledge is newfound to a strict time limit to how fast you can use google.

[Invisible officer]

I can feel the disgust of patriotic Scotsmen. But sorry boys, the modern pleated Kilt is a British invention, no old Scottish tradition . 1794. Under a King from Hannover. (Yes, more salt in the wounds) It's not the traditional Highland item. Similar, but not the same.

Funny, that's what I was saying but you argued against me and Herr Cubster using a fifteen year old army surplus job. I'm getting the idea that your knowledge is newfound to a strict time limit to how fast you can use google.

Google searcher. That's mean. Why not Wikistupedia? I took it yesterday from an old article about the British army Kilt's history in a scientific societies journal of prestige among scientist. (Royal Armoury is a formal member of that society, many "names" of British military societs too) You surely never saw a copy, they are not sold in the shops. Too expensive. I did no quotation. But copy from myself is no moral problem.

Did I claimed Highlanders to wear plaids? Or was it...?
You seem to claim that Highlander is to be restricted to the the 18th century men? I dare to say that the better man is the amalgamated British Highlander. No longer the one shot running attack wild clansmen but a brave soldier with training. Tamed? A little bit. I call it discipline. In 1745/46 Scotsmen decided, many more fighting for the future than for the Jacobite past. The result? An empire. With Scotsmen in highest positions.
All the "Scottish" items associated today with Highland Soldiers are British. Pleated Kilt, big feather bonnet, elaborate Sporran, even the tartan. . But Highland braves inside.

They wanted to fight in the Kilt in WW II. But had to use the Battledress trousers. Just a modern mini ToS on top. But we have WW I for kilted khaki Highlanders in games. With the real big ToS.

That would be a nice plastic news suggestion?

[Parus Ater]

I don't even know where to start with all that! Right, firstly I've never claimed "that Highlander is to be restricted to the the 18th century men" at all, all I said was that Highlander never wore kilts since they were, as Highlanders of the time would see them, an English Army invention. You were, of course contrary to this position and sited a 1996 £12 army surplus kilt as evidence. Upon being told you were wrong (again) you now tell us you went off and looked up kilts in a book, found you were wrong and came back with basic but still lacking information which agrees with me and Cubster and you present it to us in a condescending manner and ignore you were wrong all along and that you were right. What I will say on your "facts" is that what gaps you've filled in from your book are a bit wide of the mark. And history books are not scientific journals.

[janner]

With IO on the journal thing. A reputable history journal with peer reviewed articles is considered scientific in academia.

I'm a bit lost on the 'no highlander ever wore a kilt' thing.

The Act of Union of 1707 saw the 'English' or 'Scots' armies (and navies) come together to form the British Army. There was no 'English Army' thereafter. There were highlander units in the British Army, which eventually adopted the British invented/developed kilt. I've met many soldiers from units that wear tartan kilts who consider themselves to be Highlanders - as far as I can see, it has as much an ethnic/historical foundation as deciding if you want to be called English, Scots, Welsh etc..

or am I missing something?

Still - in my day if you wanted to started a scrap, calling The Watch an English regiment was always a winner - much like asking a Royal Scot where his spats were