Info for doing English army in Ireland in 1640

[1642]

Colonel Sir Francis Gamul's Regiment of Foot

Colonel Francis Gamuls regiment of Foot

Chester Trained Band

Colonel Sir Francis Gamul
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Grosvenor (9)
Sargeant Major William Mainwaring (1)
Sargeant Major Thomas Thropp *
Captain Lieutenant Richard Barnston (8) + I.O. Chester
Captain John Adlington (1) + (2) + (3)
Captain Daniel Bavand I.O. Chester
Captain Bennett (2)
Captain Henry Brereton I.O. Chester
Captain James Hudleston I.O. Chester
Captain Thomas Gamul (4) + (5)
Captain David Humphreys I.O. Chester
Captain Edward Morgan Ment. I.O.
Captain Edward Morgell ^ (2)
Captain Thomas Thropp * (2)
Captain Valentine Whitmore Vol.II It.1032.See C.C.C.
Lieutenant Aldersey (2)
Lieutenant Michael Hodgekin I.O. Chester to Capt.Morgan
Lieutenant David Humphreys Ment. I.O.
Lieutenant Richard Janines I.O. Chester to Capt. Bavand
Lieutenant King (2)
Lieutenant John Lingly I.O. Chester to Capt.Humphreys
Lieutenant Edward Morgell (3)
Lieutenant Henry Morgell (6)
Lieutenant Richard Wright I.O. Chester
Ensign Charles Broster I.O. Chester to Capt.Hudleston
Ensign John Lingen CSPD 11.9.1655
Ensign Richard Littler I.O. Chester to Capt. Bavand
Ensign Randall Minshall I.O. Chester to Capt. Brereton
Ensign John Taylor (7)

OTHER OFFICERS IN E.C.W. N + Q NO.23 Ensign Berrington,Captains Giles,Harleston and Sayers.


(1) Bodleain Library. Rawlinson Mss.B210
John Byrons account of the siege of Chester.

(2) Harley Mss. 2155.Randle Holmes third narration of the siege of Chester.
20.9.1645
'Lieutenant Aldersey slew and his 16 men fled.
Captain Morgan and Captain Bennett to sally out.
Captain Adlington standing on the wall to behold the skirmish was shot through the crown of his hat without doing him any harm.'
Lost 1 Major 1 Ensign and 15 prisoners

21/22.9.1645 Parliament attempt to storm Chester defended by Captain Thropp and Lt. King with their companies.Captain Crosby and his troop supported them.His Lt. was killed.

9.10.1645 'Sir William Mainwaring and Captain Adlington killed today.'

29.10.1645 'Captain Crosby with his Troop and Captain Morgell with 6 score musketeers sallied out.'

(3) St.Oswalds Chester. Parish register.
Captain John Adlington buried 17.10.1645
Lieutenant Edward Morgell buried 8.11.1645

(4) Chester record office ZA/F/26/28. 16.4.1644 Petition of Hugh Dodd his request to be a Freeman of Chester has taken arms under Capt.Thomas Gamul for the defence of the city.

(5) St.Marys on the hill,Chester.Parish register.
Captain Thomas Gamul buried. 12.6.1644. Son of Col. Gamul.

(6) BLB.VOL.II No. 803 + 804.

(7) SP.23.147.603 Deposition of Richard Boothe that Taylor was an Ensign in Chester and had a feather in his hat.

(8) SP.28.128.12 Edward Russells Chester accounts
Delivered to Captain Barnston 16 Barrells of salt by order from Sir Francis Gamul £8.0.0. after 24.11.1643.


Petition of Sir Richard Grosvenor
"Sheweth that petitioner was by his Majesty made High Sheriff of Co. of Chester in the year 1644 which as he knew not at that time how to refuse so he humbly presumeth..."
"That afterwards he was Lieutenant Colonell of ye Regiment of the Citie of Chester and continued so until ye Cittie was surrendered to Parliament".

^ Captain Edward Morgell was still alive 7.1.45/6 BLB Vol.II 1201 and is therefore different to the Lt. of the same name.

* Captain Thropp appears to have become Sargeant Major following the death of Mainwaring as he was of that rank when acting as a commissioner for the surrender of Chester in January 1645/6.






Ensign John Taylor (1) SP.23.147.603
Ensign John Lingen CSPD 11.9.1655

[Dave Blue Team]

Goodness. That's a lot of info. Absolutely fantastic, thank you for this.

I'll be monitoring this thread even closer now
I had gotten some of this information from my books or online records - but not quite to the extent presented here.

Just need to start painting my figures now

[1642]

I spent many years visiting record offices around the U.K. and at Kew looking through original documents.
Simply lacked the ability to put it into book form.

By the way Tilliers carried Green flags (no further details) from a 1644 source and mentioned only once.

Here is Gibsons Regiment.

I've taken out the references in case I some day get it all together to possibly publish.

Colonel Richard Gibsons Regiment of Foot

In Ireland
1642

Colonel Sir Simon Harcourt
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Gibson
Captain Michael Woodhouse
Captain George Vane
Captain Edmund Varney



After April 1643 as Verney is listed as Sargeant Major.

Colonel Richard Gibson
Lieutenant Colonel George Vane
Sargeant Major Edmund Verney
Captain Atkins
Captain Deane
Captain Connocke
Captain Fisher

May 20 -15.9.1643 muster roll

Colonel Richard Gibson
Captain Thomas Paget, Lieutenant Colonel now Captain William Fisher
Captain Michael Woodhouse Major now Captain John Connock
Captain George Vane now Lieutenant Colonel
Captain Edward Varney now Sargeant Major
Captain Robert Crofts now Captain Johnathan Atkins
Captain Michael Biddulph now Captain Humphrey Sidenham
Captain Francis Congrave
Captain Edward Hippesley now Sir Thomas Meredith
Captain Humphrey Nicholls now Captain Walter Denn

15.9.1643

Colonel Richard Gibson
Lieutenant Colonel George Vane
Sargeant Major Edmund Verney
Captain Henry Ellis formerly Captain Congrave
Captain Walter Denne
Captain John Atkins
Captain Sir Thomas Meredith
Captain John Connock
Captain William Fisher


In England

I.O. ALL DONE

Colonel Richard Gibson

Lieutenant Colonel George Vane (3)

Sargeant Major Edmund Verney (1)
Sargeant Major Humphrey Sydenham

Captain Johnathan Atkins (3)
Captain Walter Denne (3)
Captain William Fisher (3)
Captain Richard Kynnaston I.O. L + W
Captain Thomas Mallome I.O. Norfolk
Captain Humphrey Sydenham
Captain William Sydenham (2) + (3) + I.O. Somerset
Captain Arthur Ward (3) + I.O. Chester

Lieutenant William Sydenham

Ensign John Jones I.O. L + W
Ensign William Overley I.O. L + W to Capt. Mallome

Humphrey (born 1605) and William (born 1608) Sydenham were brothers and William was probably Humphreys Lieutenant.
Humphrey was captured at Nantwich which probably led to Williams promotion to Captain.
Henry was later a Sargeant Major acting under John Lord Byron see Clennenau



To our Right trusty and most entirely welbeloved cousin and councellor James Duke of Ormonde,Lieutennant Generall of our Army in our Kingdome of Ireland.,

Right trusty and right wellbeloved cousin and councellor wee greete you well.Whereas we have use here of the personall attendance and experience among these our forces of Michaell Woodhouse Esq. Serient Major to Colonell Gibsons Regiment in that our Kingdome: Wee have therefore both commanded him to stay and given him a charge to attend here in our Army.But forasmuch as wee hope that by Gods assistance these troubles here wilbe soone at an end.Wee desire this his emploiment with us may not turne to his preudice elsewhere.And therefore wee will that the siad Serjeant Maior Woodhouse be continued in the self same place and command in the said Regiment of Colonell Gibson in Ireland,that he receave the benefit and advantages thereof,and returne thereunto when wee shall discharge him from attendance here,without any contradiccion,or diminuaccion in the interim whatsoever,othere then is usuall to commanders of his rank absent with the leave and colleracion of their superiors whereof wee require you to take good notice:And for doeing soe these our letters shalbe your warrant.
Given at our Court at Oxford the 20th day of March in the 18th yeare of our Reigne 1642/3.


Charles R


John Mennes at Beaumaris to Prince Rupert 18.10.1644 extract.
Colonel Gibsons men would not be suffered to enter into Conway but had the gates shut on them.Lord Byron has called them away.


1645, 26th August
Lord Byron, at Chester, to Sir John Owen, High Sheriff of the County of Caernarvon
By a late letter the writer could not but take notice of the extreme slowness and neglect of Caernarvonshire in payment of the contribution agreed upon at Denbigh, whereof he cannot but be the more sensible while he is daily solicited by several defending officers whose faithful service to His Majesty in these parts looks for some acknowledgement amongst them. The bearer hereof, Sergeant-Major Humffrey Sydenham, to whose industry and care these parts and this garrison are obliged, principally in his sole managing of the fort at Hanbridge, has been directed to receive out of the contribution agreed to be paid in Caernarvonshire thirty pounds. Hopes that he may meet with Owen’s favour and assistance.


1645/6, 3rd March
Lord Byron, at Caernarvon, to Sir John Owen, High Sheriff of the County of Caernarvon, Major-General of North Wales.
The writer has at last got Sydenham’s arms from Beaumaris ‘which by theire tumblinge upp and downe were most of them unfixed’. He is fitting them and others with what possible speed he can and will, he hopes, suddenly draw them together to the opposition of the enemy. Meanwhile desires Owen to issue orders for the drawing together of the forces of the county. They are to be disposed to such places and passes as may most secure the county from the enemy and prevent their incursion.


1645/6, 5th March
Lord Byron, at Caernarvon, to Sir John Owen, High Sheriff of the County of Caernarvon, at Conway.
‘How those frends, the gentlemen of this countrye, have so longe expected me come amongst them, for certainly without invitation they had not come’. Doubts not that Owen will use all possible diligence for the victualling of his garrison. For the better doing whereof Owen must not suffer any provisions to remain in Gloddaeth as much to prevent the enemy as to furnish himself. The writer cannot possibly spare Major Sydenham’s men,and therefore Owen must be pleased to make shift with those he has when he has once settled things there. Thinks Owen may do the King much better service by going into the country to raise what forces he can to join with the writer’s, and to leave the garrison in the charge of the Lieutenant- Governor. He will send Owen some powder as soon as possible, but match cannot be spared till the country bring in materials to make more. This day an express came from Raglan, who assures the writer that Laughern is totally routed in South Wales by the King’s forces there, and is driven into Cardiff Castle where he is now besieged.






10.4.1643 Letter from Edmund Verney to his Brother Ralph.
'I shall this day be Sargeant Major to Collonell Gybsons regiment,of which I have hitherto been Captaine.'

Petition of Roger Ince under Captain Sydenham in Regiment of Symon Harcourt.Afterwards under Colonel Gibson.Captured at York.

List of Captured Officers.
There were 2 Fishers in the forces from Ireland,Captain William Fisher of Gibsons Regiment and Captain Edward Fisher ex Lord Lamberts Regiment.A Captain Fisher was in Crewe house with Sargeant Major Lisle when they marched away 5.2.1643/4 and this may imply that Edward Fisher came over as a Captain in Warrens Regiment.


eXTRACT.
To his most sacred Majestie
The humble petition of Capt. Jo: Atkins
Shewing,
That your petitioner was commanded by his late Majestie of blessed memory by his orders to ye right honourable Marques of Ormond to march into England with his Company in ye Regiment of Major Generall Gibson to derve his Majesty in ye late warre which he willingly accepted,& faithfully served to ye loss of all his Estate,part of his bloud and often imprysonment....
Now may it please your Majesty,Major Generall Gibson deceased was your petitioners brother in law & bequeathed his arreares to him as there was due to him in Ireland...

Captain John Atkins petitioned in 1660/61 for the Captaincy of Hurst Castle,stating that he had come over from Ireland in Major General Gibsons Regiment,who was his Brother in law.

[Dave Blue Team]

Wow. That's a whole load of information. Not only will be able to name the command groups, but probably be able to give every single figure in the regiments a name too.

I must say that this is all very facinating. Thank you so much for all the info.

[1642]

No problem.

Name a Regiment and I'll see what I have on them.