Dalmatian Auxiliaries

by **Marcus Flatulas** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:20 pm

Hi, being of Dalmatian heritage, I am wanting to paint up a unit or two of those troublesome Dalmatian Auxiliaries I have read about to field with my army. I have not been able to come across any definitive ref to the type of uniform they would have worn. I am presuming it would have been the standard Auxiliary style issue I.e: mail shirts etc. Can any one shed any light on this & perhaps possible colourways for these chaps? Cheers!

by **Jim** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:59 am

The dalmatian auxiliaries had quite a distinctive pattern. It was black on white patches... or was that white on black patches....

by **Morsleib** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:26 am

Jim said:
The dalmatian auxiliaries had quite a distinctive pattern. It was black on white patches… or was that white on black patches….

And they formed up in units of 100 +1 centurion

Terry

by **Paul@BAM** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:37 am

There was a second unit of 102. Never as good as the Primus unit.

I think you could go with the normal Aux figures as they pretty universal for all nations. Might be quite fun to add the odd cnversion based on Dalmation Jewlery on the odd figure.

Paul

by **Marcus Flatulas** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:42 am

Jim said:
The dalmatian auxiliaries had quite a distinctive pattern. It was black on white patches… or was that white on black patches….

Do you mean a B&W chess board style pattern. Does any one know of any illustrations?

by **Marcus Flatulas** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:44 am

Might be quite fun to add the odd cnversion based on Dalmation Jewlery on the odd figure.

Paul

Dalmation jewlery ? Like an AK47? LOL

by **Morsleib** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:00 am

Marcus Flatulas said:
Do you mean a B&W chess board style pattern. Does any one know of any illustrations?

Er, I think he was pulling your leg Marcus

I am not even sure where Dalmatia is (was)? Wikipedia tells us this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia_%28Roman_province%29

I can't find any detail references to the Dalmatian auxiliaries though. They seemed to be a generally rebelious lot. I think that you may have to use standard models for them.

Terry

by **Marcus Flatulas** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:46 pm

Morsleib said:
Marcus Flatulas said:
Do you mean a B&W chess board style pattern. Does any one know of any illustrations?
Er, I think he was pulling your leg Marcus

I am not even sure where Dalmatia is (was)? Wikipedia tells us this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia_%28Roman_province%29

I can't find any detail references to the Dalmatian auxiliaries though. They seemed to be a generally rebelious lot. I think that you may have to use standard models for them.

Terry

Ahhhh, I get it now...... right over my head, you crazy zany Disneyofiles.

by **Lukas** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:48 am

Here some Info I've fount to Dalmatia...:

The place was part of a bigger province, with the central military camp:

Ulcisia Castra (today Szentendre in Hungary)

A Auxiliarcamp in Pannoniaand Dalmatia

Ulcisia Castra was a relief camp in Pannonia troops at the site oftoday's Hungarian town Szentendre, 20 km northeast of Budapest in awestern tributary of the Danube. The settlement history of the areareaches far into the Stone Age. According to the Illyrern settled theCeltic Eravisci. Under Roman rule, the area until the beginning of the1.Jh.n.Chr. in the course of conquest and Illyriens Pannonia.

Entering 2.Jh.n.Chr. A camp in the extent of 205 x 134 m (wallstrength up to 130 cm) to set up a small hill and make the name UlcisiaCastra awarded what indigenous means "wolf camp" (see ulciscorthe Latin word for "revenge"). The corners of the outer wallswere rounded and the trapezoidal towers in the inner appropriate. Thefinal finally reached the camp under Emperor Constantinus. The canabae(stock settlement) were in the West, a burial ground of the highantiquity in the east and those from the 4.Jh.n.Chr. cella withmemoriae (Memorial Chapel) in the south.

In the years 106 to 214 AD. The crew belonged to the army ofPannonia Superior (Upper Pannonia) and because of military diplomaswill be found to Marko man wars with a deployment of the cohors IVVoluntariorum cR expected. From 214 was the camp in the area ofPannonia Inferior (Lower Pannonia). In the 1.half of 3.Jh.n.Chr. stationed here with the cohors I milliaria nova Severiana Surorumsagittariorum a unit of archers. In 4.Jh. The camp - probably as aresult of restructuring measures - from castra Ulcisia in Constantiacastra renamed. As the unit were here now Equites dalmatae.

The clashes during the big migration was the camp, includingsettlement in the course of 5.Jh.n.Chr. destroyed, could be consideredas the Landobardes outpost and later in Awaren kingdom recover.After the destruction of the Avars under Karl d.Gr. 895, the settlementunder the suzerainty of the Magyars. The first written reference tofalls in the year 1009 as settlement of St.. Andreas, which finally theHungarian Szentendre.

(Note, this text was translated from german into english by myself...so if you find some mistakes you may kee'p em...^^)

by **Morsleib** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:59 am

Lukas said:
Here some Info I've fount to Dalmatia…:

<snip>
(Note, this text was translated from german into english by myself…so if you find some mistakes you may kee'p em…^^)

Nice summary Lukas and welcome to the forum. I wish my German was as good as your English.

You have highlighted the perenial problem for us gamers. The history isn't too hard to find. Who annexed who and who rebelled and when. However the historians rarely cared to record the details we need to model and paint an army. Ok some writers describe their equipment but rarely the colours. If you have read some of the other threads you will find that we can't even determine with confidence what colour tunics the legionaries wore so the details of a specific auxiliary unit is nearly impossible.

Terry

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