Command question

[Dontpanic]

I understand how brigade commanders issue orders. BUT I'm not clear how and in what circumstances the cinc gives orders. For example if a brigade commander rolls greater than his staff rating, can the cinc step in and get the brigade moving if he rolls and scores equal or less than his staff rating ? I feel I'm missing something obvious and I'd be grateful if someone would clarify how the cinc gives orders.

Thanks in advance.

Jonathan

[grant]

Yes, that's right. If a brigade commander messes up, the CinC takes over. BUT! If the CinC screws up - it's all over. No more commands. Hope this clears it up!

[Big Al]

The CinC can issue commands to the brigade if the brigade commander fails. But the unit/s that the brigade commander was giving an order to when he failed can't receive orders from the CinC in the same orders phase. So if the BC failed when trying to order the entire brigade, then tough! The entire brigade was subject to a failed order and is stuck until the next command phase for that side. See page 25, first paragraph under Further Rules About Orders.

[ady2650]

The CinC can issue commands to the brigade if the brigade commander fails. But the unit/s that the brigade commander was giving an order to when he failed can't receive orders from the CinC in the same orders phase. So if the BC failed when trying to order the entire brigade, then tough! The entire brigade was subject to a failed order and is stuck until the next command phase for that side. See page 25, first paragraph under Further Rules About Orders.

Thats how I read it, and the Divisional commander has to blunder for no further orders by any subordinate general , happened to me last night at the club, Austrians v French our C&C played by Quinton blundered our first order of the second turn, which had the whole Austrian army looking around wandering what to do whilst several thousand Frenchmen were propelling themselves at us

Great Game

[Dontpanic]

Thank you chaps I think I've got it now. So if my BC is commanding say 5 units of infantry and gives a brigade command to 4 of them and messes up the cinc can attempt to give orders to the 1 remaining unit. Right ? And the cinc can only attempt once per turn on just ones brigade ?

[Big Al]

Not quite. You're right about the first bit here

So if my BC is commanding say 5 units of infantry and gives a brigade command to 4 of them and messes up the cinc can attempt to give orders to the 1 remaining unit. Right ?

But on the second, the CinC has the same restriction as any BC. He can give orders to any number of units not restricted to just one brigade, but he must issue all of his orders before you move onto another commander or until he fails. You can't use him, then go to another commander and then go back to the CinC. Unless I want something to happen, I tend to leave my CinC until last (an old Warmaster trait, I'm afraid) abd use him as an emergency commander because he can give orders to any unit. Of course, he still has the negative modifiers for distance, but hopefully, his Command Rating will offset some of this.

Can I suggest that you reread the section headed Brigade Orders on page 26? The section to look out for is second column, second paragraph. It should help clarify.

[ady2650]

I use my C and C where I need something to really happen, my Brigade commanders are usually a 7 and my C and C an 8, I play 100days Brits in the main so he is there to get my cavalry moving mostly. I then wave them off into the sunset, never to be seen again
You play with fire if you use the C and C before any other commander so Big Al is right there. The trouble with our Austrian Game was that all of our brigade commanders , believe or believe it not , had rolled low independence

[Dontpanic]

Thanks gents you've been very helpful.

[Comte Michel]

which had the whole Austrian army looking around wandering what to do whilst several thousand Frenchmen were propelling themselves at us

Situation normal for the Austrians then - shows how realistic BP can be

[ady2650]

which had the whole Austrian army looking around wandering what to do whilst several thousand Frenchmen were propelling themselves at us

Situation normal for the Austrians then - shows how realistic BP can be

oh so true