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after battle questions

Gentlemanly discourse about our Horse & musket rules. Pass the port, sir…
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Re: after battle questions

Postby Big Al » Sat May 12, 2012 4:13 pm

1-what formation do you allow units move over or fight on bridges?


Generally, the unit must adopt a formation that allows it to fit across the space that is the bridge. This will require an order to change formation. If you wish to declare that it is an attack column, then you may do so, but make sure that your opponent is aware. Usually a march column will be used to cross a bridge. Fighting across it, I suspect would be an Attack Column.

2-same question re fording rivers?


Depending on the depth of the river or ford and how long it is, a unit can cross in any formation that the restriction will allow. If it is a shallow river or stream, a unit could cross in line.

3-replacing killed officers?


Usually the replacement has 1 less command level.

4- if an officer is still attached to a unit from the previous turn ;say doing a rally or follow me action .Can he next in the next turn issue orders while still attached etc


Yes. He can also move away from that unit in his movement phase.

5-i was caught in the flank twice in our latest battle and survived well due to unusully good dice from me - is the (- 1 too light for that situation?


Not really. Did you remember that you can only use half of the unit's total attacks to the flank? That coupled with the -1 is penalty enough.

6-if you want units not to move have you to order them to hold each turn or if they achieved their orders last time do they require further orders to hold until you may want them to move again in future turns? i appreciate units must keep trying to achieve a previous failed order until they ae issued new ones or finally arrive LOL


A unit only needs an order to move or change formation, so there is no need to order a unit to hold. A unit does not need to keep trying to achieve a previously failed order. If you failed an order in a previous turn and you still want the unit to make the same move, then you attempt to give the order again in the next command phase. If the circumstances change, you can attempt to issue a different order. Once an order has been attempted, successfully or not, that is the end of it. The unit does not have to carry on trying to fulfil it.

7- do you use any form of cavalry in attack column -esp used by the untrained recuits in 1813-14 -Murat @ Liebertolkwitz also frees up some tabel frontage space


No. Attack Column is an infantry formation in BP.


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Re: after battle questions

Postby DeanMoto » Sun May 13, 2012 12:36 am

Big Al:

As far as the +1 Save being for Attack Column during Shooting, you are of course entirely correct. That said, I'm going with +1 Save even for Combat as there may be Closing Fire prior to the Charge and also page 66 does state, "Morale saves in hand-to-hand fighting are the same in all respects..." - referencing the Shooting Morale saves. A select interpretation I know, but plan to go with it - as a House Rule if anything. Best, Dean
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Re: after battle questions

Postby Alan Charlesworth » Sun May 13, 2012 6:49 am

As far as the +1 Save being for Attack Column during Shooting, you are of course entirely correct. That said, I'm going with +1 Save even for Combat as there may be Closing Fire prior to the Charge and also page 66 does state, "Morale saves in hand-to-hand fighting are the same in all respects..." - referencing the Shooting Morale saves. A select interpretation I know, but plan to go with it - as a House Rule if anything.



OK so we can all chip in yet again with our entrenched positions on the +1 Column morale bonus :-)

I am with Alex on this for the following reasons:

1. The table containing the bonus says it is v non-artillery shooting, so applies during normal shooting and closing fire not melee
2. If you don't have a house rule preventing 2 columns on 1 line then columns become overly dominant if they get the morale bonus in melee + charging bonus as well as 12 dice v 6

I completely agree that the wording in the rules creates a contradiction and that either interpretation could be correct. But I believe this interpretation produces a better game.
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Re: after battle questions

Postby Big Al » Sun May 13, 2012 6:59 am

DeanMoto wrote:Big Al:

As far as the +1 Save being for Attack Column during Shooting, you are of course entirely correct. That said, I'm going with +1 Save even for Combat as there may be Closing Fire prior to the Charge and also page 66 does state, "Morale saves in hand-to-hand fighting are the same in all respects..." - referencing the Shooting Morale saves. A select interpretation I know, but plan to go with it - as a House Rule if anything. Best, Dean


Closing fire is dealt with at the point of contact in the charge and the unit in Attack Column benefits from the +1 against any hits caused by that closing fire. There are restrictions on shooting out of turn which are covered by Closing Fire and Traversing Fire. These can only be performed once out of turn and then requires a reload. By assuming that the unit will suffer further closing fire as you have stated, where do you allow for a unit that is reloading and not being able to shoot.

"Morale saves in hand-to-hand fighting are the same in all respects..." As it specifies against shooting and the rules give no mention that shooting is part of Hand to hand combat, in what respect is the modifier a part of hand to hand? However, as you say, you can make it a house rule. I have asked Rick if he would mind clarifying the situation, but as yet have had no reply. Hopefully he will respond soon.
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Re: after battle questions

Postby grecian1959 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:11 pm

"i was caught in the flank twice in our latest battle and survived well due to unusully good dice from me - is the (- 1 too light for that situation?


Not really. Did you remember that you can only use half of the unit's total attacks to the flank? That coupled with the -1 is penalty enough."




Al I re-read your answer to my previous post and saw this I cant seem to find where the units has its attacks halved could you point me towards page number please.Thanks peter
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Re: after battle questions

Postby Alan Charlesworth » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:28 pm

grecian1959 wrote:"i was caught in the flank twice in our latest battle and survived well due to unusully good dice from me - is the (- 1 too light for that situation?


Not really. Did you remember that you can only use half of the unit's total attacks to the flank? That coupled with the -1 is penalty enough."




Al I re-read your answer to my previous post and saw this I cant seem to find where the units has its attacks halved could you point me towards page number please.Thanks peter
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