Friday Night thread - 16th December

[Parus Ater]

No offence, mate, but this is a line of conversation that only you wants to go down, that's why you're the only one talking about it.

[Invisible officer]

Hmm, I remember a comment about "Spree" before I wrote about . A joke, yes, but growing mainstream thinking about going on a range?

I often come near Spree, the best known River here.


I tried to get the discussion more in the direction of miniatures and "new thinking" , but the total silence about my writing about wargamer problems with modern political correctness is a little apalling. The three apes? Don't touch the problem?

I was told by British friends that there are growing problems in UK too. Politically correctness is against Wargaming. Hope you will have no problems but ignoring the growing propaganda against "killer games" could be fatal.
In my Oxford time there was gaming there and at schools, today not a few schools do ban all "killergames", including miniature wargaming.
In the 70's many shops or department stores sold Airfix soldiers. Today ? I bought my first ones as a child in a local houseware shop, today only the few modelling shops left sell plastic soldiers like these.

[Cubster]

One person with a problem, no conversation.

PS. Despite having a high gun ownership rate, Switzerland does have strict gun control laws, but also the second highest handgun murder rate in the world, after the USA.

[Parus Ater]

The reason nobody bit about you saying about banning wargames is because nobody has ever heard of this before. Perhaps a tourist market in Germany doesn't want certain kinds of toy being sold there, so what? it's up to them, it's their market. Here in the UK I've never came up against this and I work in Childare and Education. Never heard of this being an issue. I'm also a WWII re-enactor, who has fell foul of the gun laws in the UK, again, never heard of this issue.

It's not an issue.

[Invisible officer]

Lucky guys in Edinburgh, friends from London tell a different story. The son of one wanted to raise a club in his School in Kensington. No rooms available. Not officially prohibiting. But later formed clubs got time in the rooms. Honi soit.....
A friend from Oxford say that there is no wargame shop left there. Little gaming at universities. Even the OTC get problems.

May be a problem that's just starting in your country, in Germany a School director allowing a wargaming club to use school rooms would get in serious troubles.
In Australia there was even a parlamentarian discussion about wargames at schools, mostly about computer games but also miniature games. No new law, now.

May be I'm more afraid than others but seeing smoke I guess there is fire. Remember the smokers. A decade of public campaigning and a widely accepted thing nearly became a crime. And we have no billion pound industry to defend our interests.

Oh , by the way , the Swiss numbers, you are half wrong. Switzerland is below the average European murder rate. Far far away from US numbers. I guess your statistic is including suicides with guns. In that case Swiss is leader in Europe, having a higher than average suicide rate. Must be the snow. In a typical year like 1998 29 murders are done with guns in Switzerland. And 412 suicides (But 3 times more use other things) . (Swiss Bundesamt für Statistik)
Don't trust a statistic that you have not faked yourself.

[Parus Ater]

It seems you have many far reaching but ill informed friends. No wargames shops in Oxford? There's a GW there, I've been in it!

Sorry but you've came into a thread that wasn't about something and attempted to start an argument on something you have an axe to grind about. Germany is famous for loving rules and laws, we all have to suffer censored video games because of their rules, likewise Australia because of the PAL system in the past.
Our country doesn't have a great kneejerk reaction towards violence, nor a widespread gun crime problem. New wargames companies are springing up all the time, if one shop or company closes then it's economics, not a Gouvernment Aktion to run them out of Oxford.
There is no movement to get rid of wargames since rolling dice doesn't cause lung cancer or make you invade France.

I know people up and down the country, in the same industry as me and I have NEVER heard ANYTHING at all against wargaming other than GW are a fair bit too dear.

[carvel2]

Cup of tea and a biscuit anyone?

[BigMike]

Cup of tea and a biscuit anyone?

maybe a glass of port? It is nearly Christmas!

[Parus Ater]

Can I get six drops of Laudanum in mine, please?

[carvel2]

I'll get the kettle on and reach down the decanter