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Postby Centurio Cunibus » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:36 am

I hope some of the more enlightened ones may be able to help me out.

Soon I hope to continue painting my Legio VI Victrix, stationed at Hadrian's Wall.

Now I was wondering what kind of enemies one could expect there. Would they look like WG's Ancient Britons miniatures?

Or were they usually pretty different in some way, with other haircuts, clothing or weapons?

Of course Britain has always been filled with many different tribes, cultures, but if there was some unision in the north at that time, please let me know.

Thanks in advance.

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Postby romavictor » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:33 am

north of hadrian's wall, northern england/present day scottland was home to a celtic tribe the romans called 'pictii' or the picts. this name means 'painted ones' and is believed to reference the tribes use of tatoos and war paint.

they would have looked similar enough to the britans to get away with using those miniatures. their army composition would have been similar aswell including cavalry, chariots, ect.


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Postby romavictor » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:35 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts

here is a crash course regarding said people.

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Postby Centurio Cunibus » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:53 am

Lots of warpaint, nice! Sounds like a proper painting challenge.

Thanks!

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Postby Clone of Undave » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:11 pm

That Wiki article seems to deal mainly with the Dark Ages period. It's the same people but this one might be slightly more useful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_during_the_Roman_Empire

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Postby Phil » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:49 pm

The Picts are first referred to by name in a speech by Eumenius in AD297. Warlord's Romans are really only suitable up to about AD160 - so personally I wouldn't pit the two against each other.

The area the Picts are said to have occupied (North and East Scotland) was occupied by a people known as the Caledones during this earlier period (who may well have been the ancestors of the Pict s- though we have no evidence one way or the other). Nearer to Hadrian's Wall (but still to its North), during the period appropriate to Warlord's Romans, the tribes of interest were the Selgovae at the more Western end of the wall, and the Votadini to the East. We know very little about them, but there is no evidence to suggest that they were markedly different from other British tribes of that era: in other words, I would use Warlord's Ancient British to represent them.

The territory of the Brigantes lies to the immediate South of the WAll, and indeed, the wall may have actually cut off the Northernmost part of their territory - there were no maps showing them, and their boundaries may well have been quite fluid anyway.

We have very little evidence of cultural difference across Britain at this time - it has been traditional to lump all 'Brittunculi' (nasty little Britons) together - the curse of all the istory having been written by the victors. There is an increasing body of evidence suggesting that there were some differences in culture and appearance. For example, the Deceangli, who occupied (roughly) North Cheshire and Merseyside, are now associated with a particular style of brooch found nowhere else, and a unique style of roundhouse - which is sort of 'stretched' in one direction. by the addition of a short straight-sided section. It's very early days yet though, for this sort of study, so not enough is known to start differentiating between tribes at the sort of level that would concern wargamers.

I hope this helps.

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